How old is it? And what is it worth?

These two questions arise often on many drum and cymbal forums. When the question is about Avedis Zildjian cymbals there doesn't seem to be a really good online place to turn.

We need to know "how old it is" in order to know "what is it worth", but that is only one ingredient in getting a good estimate of price. In addition you need to know condition, and a few other factors.

I've presented work on pricing of Paiste 602s and Sound Creations and have been collecting data on sales since 2005. I've been collecting sales data on Avedis cymbals, and Turkish made K Zildjian cymbals since 2013. Price reports are starting to come out for Turkish made K Zildjian cymbals and Avedis cymbals although it is still early days. Since I'm actively updating that price pages, be sure to refresh your browser to get the latest version. All my raw data is freely available to the public.

Scope: I'm interested in the professional lines of Avedis Zildjian cymbals, so that's all you get. If anybody gets very keen on the beginner, student or whatever you want to call them lines then email the materials to me and I'm happy to do the work of putting them in here. This Avedis work includes the professional level cymbals manufactured by Avedis Zildjian in North America. It does include Canadian Ks, EAKs, and IAKs. And those brilliant finish Avedis Zildjian & Cie Constantinople cymbals from the 1970s. If you don't know what those things mean, then don't worry. We'll get to them in due course, but it will take a time. A's before K's so expect some delays.

I've also created an interactive tool for K Zildjian Istanbul trademarks (aka Old Ks) as an experiment in different ways to help people identify their cymbals. The printed timeline is in the book by Rob Cook called The Gretsch Drum Book. Read the two page section by Bill Hartrick which gives the timeline for the K Zildjian Istanbul cymbals based on his research. That's the official version from the source.

Meanwhile, I've been working on collecting photos together to illustrate the different sorts of pressed in die stamps aka "trademarks" and ink logos which appear on cymbals made by Avedis Zildjian. I started doing this because I don't see an online reference which does a good job of showing photos with annotations which explain just what to look for in the different trademark eras. Although Bill Hartrick (the pioneer in this work for both old Ks and old As) has promised a book which sorts it all out, there isn't anything available now. Last I heard we should expect his book about 2020. So as a temporary measure I thought I'd see if I can improve the situation. I've also noticed that there isn't any nice online information for the 1970s onwards, once ink logos made an appearance. And last (but not least) laser serial numbers began in 1994, and I've got a list of those which I've started annotating with the years when different models came in and out. But that's all recent. Time to begin at the beginning.

The original work by Bill Hartrick which introduced the timeline

Click on the link below to access the original PDF file from a Classic Drummer/Vintage Drummer article:

Dating Cymbals by Trademark by Bill Hartrick

A gallery of Avedis Trademarks and Ink Logos with bigger easier to see photos

I found the photos in the scanned version of Bill's article too small (and too few pixels stored) to make it easy for my old eyes to see things clearly. So I've collected up my own.

Avedis Gallery

This gallery is a work in progress and I'm still adding both pictures and content. This gallery includes laser stamps (started in 1994) and it includes the logo ink changes once these start to appear. Use the gallery if you have a cymbal you are trying to identify and you aren't familiar with the different trademarks and ink logos.

A Year by Year Timeline

Avedis by Years

This is a more detailed year by year timeline including which models came in when and were discontinued (as I get to it). For those who are wondering, my inspiration for this is actually the Paiste Only Wiki and I do intend to move the contents over into a wiki style where cross indexing can be made much more dense but easy to use at the same time. That's my goal anyway. But it seemed worthwhile to make a start on getting it all collected together.

Have something to contribute to this project? Or a specific question or comment?

You can email me at: oh look a missing image

zenstat aka Steve Black, PhD -- retired statistician and general gatherer of information about cymbals.

site first published 30 August 2014
text last updated 23 Sep 2017 11:00 AM

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